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KuttersDad

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Since I sort of helped threadjack the Local shots thread i figured I'd take the asshole discussion here....
Chill and NickF....I see what you're saying about certain scenarios bringing out the worst in people, but I think that's just a person's inner asshole coming to the forefront. I still don't think it turns you into an asshole any more than anything else does.
Love doesn't turn people into assholes, but if you're a jealous, possesive person....your deep dark asshole is going to rear it's head eventually.If you play ball and you get pissed because you're losing and then act like a baby....you're an asshole. But you were already an asshole.
If you put yourself in situations where you know you're going to act like an asshole then you're an asshole for knowingly putting yourself in that situation.
Some folks like being assholes. That's fine. I'd just rather surfing not get the blame. Surfing is a beautiful thing.

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Maybe, but the answer to your question imho for the average Joe is no! ...that said, Ive seen a few guys progress into arseholes when they get sponsored or something 'BIG' happens to them. But thats not just surfing, thats in life so the answer is still no for me.
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NO, surfing doesn't turn people into assholes. An asshole is an asshole IMO.

But let's just face it: Surfing is somehow or other egoistic. Period. Nobody's out there, just sitting in the lineup and giving away wave after wave, not taking one single wave himself, paddling back in to the beach, going home happy with it. Nobody's doing that. Because surfing, riding waves is like a drug, surfers are addicts, in a positive way indeed, but they're addicts nonetheless and they're out there to get their wave fix. At least I am. Sure, I love to be in the water, surrounded by nature, and I enjoy a rainy day as much as a sunny one, I love to be out there and watch the sun rise and set, I love watching seagulls, I love the taste of salt and I love how awake I feel when I reach the lineup after a strong paddle out. But what I love most is riding waves. That's why I get up early in the morning, that's why I put myself in the thickest neoprene in winter, that's why I travel around the world, that's why I feel somehow depressive when there's no swell or I'm for too long too far away from the ocean,... Because I'm an surf addict and I need to surf to not get a cold turkey after  a while.
Now, being out there I always try to share and I'm happy for everyone who gets a good ride, no matter he's a beginner or a pro, no matter I know that person or not. Just makes me happy to share the stoke with others. No more, no less. I'm friendly, smile, relax, try to help others, don't push myself to the fore, let my surfing speak, just get my share of waves. But the more people in the water, the more addicts in need for a fix, the less waves left, the more competitive and tensed it most often gets and automatically people, me included, compete for the few waves. I hate that to be honest. Some people soon  just start to forget what's it all about and act like greedy, reckless assholes, dropping in on everyone, snaking, swearing and offensive. That's not my taste and just like Scott if possible I immediately try to find emptier waves somewhere else to avoid the crowds and the aggressive atmosphere. Yeah, I want to ride some waves, the more the better, granted, but not at any price. Surfing is an egoistic activity, but as soon as it gets too competitive and aggressive, I move on somehwere else or just paddle in, sit on the beach and delight in the one perfect wave I got. One good wave already makes a good session, they say...

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Hell yes surfing can turn you into an asshole. An entitled one at that. 
So fuck off, stay outta my way, don't even think about dropping in my wave or your gonna get a 9'2" up the ass. Got it? Good, now go back home kook. 



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Any other assholes...I mean "surfers" wanna weigh in?

And don't tell anyone where my secret spot is.

My wave, my surf, my beach....go home!

Locals rule...others drool.

BTW.. heard there was this spot in Santa Monica where they would throw rocks at you from the old pier/amusement park or take your carburetor out of your car, paddle out with it and then drop it into the water in front of you.

Local assholes only you farkin barneys.

BTW I love surfing...that's just the way it is... if you can't take it...go skate!
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Uh, yeah, sure, that LOCALS ONLY crap again. Can you say LAME ?! Fortunately never had any problems anywhere. Respect the local surfers and everything's fine. Usually local surfers are nice folks and often happy to share the waves with someone new. Only frustrated jerks claim LOCALS ONLY and DEATH TO INVADERS 'n shit. They should just once in a while leave their same old spot and travel a bit to broaden their horizon - as regards intellect and surfing skills...
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Uh, yeah, sure, that LOCALS ONLY crap again. Can you say LAME ?! Fortunately never had any problems anywhere. Respect the local surfers and everything's fine. Usually local surfers are nice folks and often happy to share the waves with someone new. Only frustrated jerks claim LOCALS ONLY and DEATH TO INVADERS 'n shit. They should just once in a while leave their same old spot and travel a bit to broaden their horizon - as regards intellect and surfing skills...


I do agree with what you are saying but I, unlike you, have been told locals only a number of times. (Windansea sorta, Simmons, explicitly)

I even checked out the peak north of 3rd point one day, and read flyers, put on peoples windshields, warning them not to return, or face automotive vandalism!

Unfortunately, the only way to deal with assholes. alot of the time, is to be an asshole right back.

So, if you agree that there are alot of assholes surfing, and you have to deal with them. often you might find yourself acting like one, just sayin...

At least that's my experience in California and Florida (first peak Sebastion anyone?).

Whats crazy is that the trick is to find your own peak, but.. what often happens is that others see you catchin; waves there and paddle out on you!!!

Ask Jeff Clark, who surfed Mavericks for 15 years practically alone, now look at it!
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Assholes are already assholes!...no help needed.






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You're right T as well.

And I have met the coolest cats ever in the water and on the beach,

I guess its just me. (sorta)
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But the more people in the water, the more addicts in need for a fix, the less waves left, the more competitive and tensed it most often gets and automatically people, me included, compete for the few waves. I hate that to be honest. Some people soon  just start to forget what's it all about and act like greedy, reckless assholes, dropping in on everyone, snaking, swearing and offensive.


BTW this is what I meant, but knock knock is much more eloquent than I.
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chill, you have a point there as to being forced to act like an asshole when it comes to phsyical threat or demolition or something. Never experienced that over here in Europe, even though there are certain spots that are more known for aggressive locals than others. Dunno, I always act respectfully in the water and on land with people I don't know and when I come to a new spot for the first time I try to start it off slow. I say hello or give a nod to others, respect the line up rules, and don't paddle for the first wave. If someone had a good ride and he paddles back out I sometimes say something like " Good one!". Everyone likes to hear that and chances are people start to connect with each other. If I would come to a spot, park the car and locals immediately start to diss or attack me, dunno, I sure would get mad, because no open beach, no ocean, no wave belongs to soemone, but would probably leave that place in the end before someone demolishes the car or things get out of control. Shame on those locals then. But, well, depends on the situation, the where and when, and especially on how many people are involved. Hard to tell...

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I grew up in an environment at Northy where the local surfers dominated the entire beach.  Very difficult for anyone out of the area to get a shot at the break without wearing the consequences.  Part of this culture were the initiations for the grommits coming through - the harassment of out of area surfers (sometimes physical).  Yeah - not good I know but that was the way it was.  These days there are too many people in the water - the local edge has gone out of it.  Anyway - there is a lot of coastline out there so finding a wave to yourself should not be hard - unless you are looking for perfection every ride - in that scenario the locals to a degree deserve first crack at their break - great waves do not come by often.
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Does surfing turn you into an asshole

Yes. Now Fuck Off.

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Et tu Jeffe?
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heh i was trying to make a joke ahem

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