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friendofshralpster

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i need some advice from people who know how guitars work-

i have a fender mexi fat strat and i want to swap the bridge bucker for a hotter humbucker. i was wondering if a seymour duncan '59 or a gibson 500T would work. it says on the seymour duncan site that the 59 will be out of phase with the rest of the stock pickups. the middle pickup is already out of phase with the stock neck and bridge pickups for hum cancelling, will swapping the bridge create more hum? i was wondering if it would be possible to run either of these pickups without problems.


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Hey fos, my wife use to work in the custom shop at Duncans winding custom model pickups for the Duncan players. She says the '59 was a Les Paul specific pickup and she's not sure how it would work on the strat. '59 is a dual coil and the strat's are single, unless you've got a custom rig. For what you are lookin for she suggests the Duncan Progressive Hot for the strat. Also you might check Duncan's shop online and they do take calls to help you out with your setup. None of her crew is still working there with the exception of Seymor, so don't have a contact name for ya.....

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The Mexi is the one with the H/S/S config right? If that's the case and Duncan says it'll be out of phase, all you have to do is reverse the wiring. The instrux for doing that should be explicit in the info sheet that comes with the pickup, but you basically reverse the current in the pickup by swapping the hot and ground wires, which in a 4-wire Duncan should be the black and green.

Incidentally, the '59 was probably THE p/u to have in those single hum superstrats of the 80s. It's a very cool p/u in that it is very responsive to pick attack and volume roll-off, it doesn't just color your amp like so many of those DiMarzio beasts!


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Oh yea, mexi has a dual humbucker? Schweet. Wife wasn't sure on that. I asked her about the wiring and she says "oh please jeffrey, do you know how long it's been since I've wired a pickup?". LOL....sorry wasn't of much help there....hahaha

Loren how is the wrist man? Anything serious or will ya be skatin with us soon?

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Not dual, Hum-Single-Single. Endless wiring possibilities. An absolutely cool guitar to screw with if, like me, you enjoy exploring wiring combos! The control cavities on my guitars reek of solder 'cause they never get a chance to cool!

The wrist is much better - thanks for asking! The skin loss on the knee is causing more pain! Wristguards from MHMark should be here on Thurs and I expect to hit Diamond Bar Friday AM for a quick rollaround to test post-injury confidence!


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Right gotya. Never seen that strat combo in person. That's the Mexican made strat, hence the "mexi", yes?

Glad to hear the wrist is not serious, hope the knee improves quick! This coming weekend I plan to do Cam and SB park, the next weekend is memorial day weekend and wide open for me as it is a big weekend for the wife at SB Crafts show. Any chance we might be able to hook up for a sesh? I can drive out your way as well...OldKook is out this weekend but back for mem-day weekend.

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Howdy,
I have Seymour Duncan pickups in my Klein guitar
and they are fantastic pickups!
I'm running a JB model at the bridge, a low-output
single coil(not sure which model) in the middle, and
a Jazz model at the neck. Talk about responsive!
Every little nuance is "hear-able". Rolling off the volume,
pick pressure...they really allow the guitar to be heard
rather than the pickup.
Duncan's are SUH-WEEET!!!
Chris Olden

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Holy crap Chris, a Klein? That is one nice guitar! It's what Ken Parker aspires to! The JB/Jazz combo is classic; jazz players to shredheads use that one. Probably the finest pickup combo known to man!
Anyway, Steve Klein is a genius. That man is beyond luthier...he's a true artist. His acoustic design, the main shape he came up with back in the 70s, is yet to be equalled.
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Hey LD,
Yeah, my Klein makes my other guitars wish they were
firewood!! LOL
It's just amazing. I have the model with the acoustic chambers,
which make the guitar just wonderfully acoustic sounding,
and give it an amazing "snap" through the good ol' Triple Rec-
tifier. The one-piece rosewood neck is beyond "buttah"!
Yeah...it is a true piece of art/design/workmanship.
Chris Olden

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Yeah FOS, you should be able to just reverse the polarity on the '59 to be in/out of phase. You might even consider adding a DPDT mini toggle to switch back and forth, you never know, you might like the out of phase tone.

Yep, those are the same pickups I have in my guitar, JB in the bridge and Jazz in the neck. And being a jazz/punk player I get everything I need and then some. The NOS Vitamin Q .022 capacitor I managed to find made them even better - you can dial in the perfect amount of high end instead of the "icepick to thunk" control I had with a cheap ceramic cap.



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thanks for the advice, it doesnt sound like a problem. ive never done major electrical work... are the wires color coded or something?


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Hey FoS,

I have mucho friends at Paul Reed Smith.
I don't have a great knowledge of guitars but I know
that PRS's sure kick ass! Here's the pickup page on their
site. Don't even know if they would fit in your Strat but
you might wanna check it out!

http://www.prsguitars.com/pickups/pickups_fs.html


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those are sick pickups, but a little out of my price range. question for luthierdude- when you say reverse the phase or whatever, do you mean switch the wires for the new duncan or the other pickups? also, 4 conductor or single? i see both for sale at musiciansfriend.com.
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FOS, it's totally simple, snip snap, zip zap. Duncan pickups come with a wiring diagram sheet, or you can go here:

Seymour Duncan Schematic Page

If you have it wired red to red/black to black for example, and it's out of phase, wiring it red to black/red to black will reverse the phase. It's dependent upon the polarity of the magnets. You can get some cool funk rhythm tones with out of phase pickups.

This is about as minor as electrical work gets. Practice your soldering on some scrap wiring (keep your iron tip clean with a wet sponge, heat the wires and let the solder just flow, don't try to use it like glue) and don't be afraid to dig in. You and your guitar will be fine.

Before you know it you'll be hand wiring your own amps. http://www.angela.com is a great place to go for parts. Just don't make Steve mad, or "NO tubes for you!"

ps - get the 4 conductor, they give you way more options...

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for what its worth to any of you guys that play guitar, I know Brian Mena and Mike Almazan. They own Menatone pedal effects. If you guys are interested let me know and I'll hook you guys up. I guess their stuff is really high-end boutique stuff.
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