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When the constitution was written we were a small country with limited defenses. On top of that, we were still hunting animals to support ourselves. The essence behind the 'right to bear arms' was written, (I believe) to be able to defend ourselves, as individuals, from harmful invaders first and foremost. Second, it was written to ensure that families were fed.



Oh, no, so sorry, thanks for playing.  Perhaps you've forgotten the inconvenient truth (to borrow a phrase) of the Revolutionary War waged by citizens against their own government. 

The essence was that we, the people, be able to defend ourselves against the tyranny of government.  You can try to wiggle out of it however you want, but that's the fact.  Jack.

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Oh, no, so sorry, thanks for playing.  Perhaps you've forgotten the inconvenient truth (to borrow a phrase) of the Revolutionary War waged by citizens against their own government. 

The essence was that we, the people, be able to defend ourselves against the tyranny of government.  You can try to wiggle out of it however you want, but that's the fact.  Jack.
See, we don't have the need for it anymore. Our government always has our best interest in mind. They would never lie to us, or try to take our personal freedoms away.

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Population of USA 298 million - 30,000 gun deaths per annum (guns allowed)
Population of UK 61 million - 250 gun deaths per annum (no guns allowed)



Are you trying to prove the we protect ourselves better?
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Gun control is not the answer.

Arming EVERYBODY is not the answer.

And, as much as I might like it,  NRA control (and/or dismantling that quasi-Nazi, survivalist-militia bunch of dicks) is not the answer either.

Birth control is the answer.

And you know who I'm talking about...


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Population of USA 298 million - 30,000 gun deaths per annum (guns allowed)
Population of UK 61 million - 250 gun deaths per annum (no guns allowed)

Would it make you feel any better if we pushed them out of windows?

We need more guns not less, I used to own over 50 different firearms, Assault rifles, street sweepers, shotguns, Auto's, and revolvers.
I sold almost all of them to buy my first house.
Man was I glad the first time I had a few extra bucks to blow, right down to the gun store and bought a Colt Combat Commander.
Happiness is a warm gun.



 

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When the constitution was written we were a small country with limited defenses. On top of that, we were still hunting animals to support ourselves. The essence behind the 'right to bear arms' was written, (I believe) to be able to defend ourselves, as individuals, from harmful invaders first and foremost. Second, it was written to ensure that families were fed.



Oh, no, so sorry, thanks for playing.  Perhaps you've forgotten the inconvenient truth (to borrow a phrase) of the Revolutionary War waged by citizens against their own government. 

The essence was that we, the people, be able to defend ourselves against the tyranny of government.  You can try to wiggle out of it however you want, but that's the fact.  Jack.


What you may not be getting though is that I'm not against people owning guns.  I've actually been thinking about buying one since I moved into this house for protection.

My take on it doesn't have to do with the situation today, but the thought behind the actual constitution, when it was written.  I don't think it was written with the people in 2007 in mind.  Nor could it have been.

And Hell, if you're saying we should fight back at the "tyranny of government", I'm in.

@Jesse - I ain't responding to your essay, esse'.  I'll call you tonight.

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Wow you guy's are really pissed off, how cool.
Haven't seen a good forum fight in a while.
But hey there's still time eh Parker?
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I stand by it 100%. . .and it got you to chime in, didn't it? 

It was either chime in or vomit on my keyboard.

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edit:  By the way Chuck, don't call it bullshit w/o a retort.

Fine, I call it bullshit.
 

And here's a retort
 


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Oh, no, so sorry, thanks for playing.  Perhaps you've forgotten the inconvenient truth (to borrow a phrase) of the Revolutionary War waged by citizens against their own government. 

The essence was that we, the people, be able to defend ourselves against the tyranny of government.  You can try to wiggle out of it however you want, but that's the fact.  Jack.
See, we don't have the need for it anymore. Our government always has our best interest in mind. They would never lie to us, or try to take our personal freedoms away.

HAHA!
guns don't kill,bullets do...outlaw bullets...

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Hand guns should be heavily restricted, if not outlawed all together. The only reason to not outlaw is that outlawing anything, i.e. drugs gives the executive branch and certain criminal elements too much power.

Rifles, shotguns and assault weapons should be available but regulated.

There is nothing in the 2nd amendment that says or implies that there cannot be registration requirements.

Mostly, people understand the purpose of the 2nd amendment. The 2nd Amend.was put into the Bill of Rights as a check against executive power. It was not put in so people could protect themselves against muggers or attackers. There are no discussion about that topic. That wasn't an issue.

Further, it is important to remember that guns were much more expensive in the 18th century than they are today. poor people found them hard to come by and when they did have them they were rifles. If you walked around Philadelphia with a musket pistol people would have thought you were on your way to a duel or something.

Now to the check on the executive power issue. For this to work in the modern world that means we all need to be able to keep and bear automatic rifles, RPG launchers and possibly shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles. Anything less is a joke. Particularly handguns. What the fuck is a handgun going to do against an M1A1 Abrams tank or A10 Warthog? Not a fucking thing.

Thus, handguns, while cool and fun to shoot, should not be protected by the first amendment because they cannot rationally be linked to a check upon governmental power. However, RPGs represent the bare minimum required to defend oneself against police powers run amok.






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I stand by it 100%. . .and it got you to chime in, didn't it? 

It was either chime in or vomit on my keyboard.

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edit:  By the way Chuck, don't call it bullshit w/o a retort.

Fine, I call it bullshit.
 

And here's a retort
 

Dude, if I pissed in your Wheaties, it was by accident.  I was aiming at Harry's Wheaties.


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I stand corrected.....................for the record........................I was wrong.


That's awesome!  Very few people can do that.  I do that often.  I like to add something like, "yea I was wrong ...... I just made the whole thing up."

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America was made possible & made great by Northern European, heterosexual, Protestant men with guns. The rest of us owe them a debt of gratitude.



How do you know they weren't dicksmokers?

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I stand by it 100%. . .and it got you to chime in, didn't it? 

It was either chime in or vomit on my keyboard.

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Originally Posted by Tukinator
edit:  By the way Chuck, don't call it bullshit w/o a retort.

Fine, I call it bullshit.
 

And here's a retort
 

Dude, if I pissed in your Wheaties, it was by accident.  I was aiming at Harry's Wheaties.

Shut up bitch!



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