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methodair1
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Registered: 06/23/08
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    11/22/09 at 01:53 AM
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YES!!! If that is what I'm thinking it is... That is DEFINITELY a Prototype of the 1st generation Andrecht Stinger that Dave Andrecht was riding with that EXACT same colorway and the rounded routered wheel wells and the sharper side wing cut outs towards the tail!!! And actually one of those same series protos were used for one of their ads!!! If I'm not mistaking, before the production models came out, Dave Andrecht had several variants of these prototypes, with his signature, & without, and with the Sims logo and without!!!
There's actually a pic of him riding one like that doing a foot plant~ And this one does not look like a replica to me...It has wear and it has been ridden but if it really was one of his Protos, it DEFINTELY is a Piece of history and a rarity!!!

The 1st Production Flat Dave Andrecht Stinger series with the green graphics and foil router stickers came out in 1979~ The Concave variants with the pink and blue/purple graphics and foil router stickers came out right after, the following year of 1980~ Then later the NON router Epoxy stinger concave models came out~

ItalianJekill
Registered: 11/03/08
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    11/22/09 at 02:33 AM
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This Andrecht looks to be the very first model, black with yellow/green stickers and graphic. 11.0 inches. This is up until 1979-80... then they launched the Concave series 1980-81, which had pink/purple decals and graphics.
You can also see it was when decks were still hand-cut with a jigsaw, from the pins back on the tail. Around 1981-82, they started to shape the decks with machine-mill, so that you don't have those sharp-cut any longer, but it's rounded...
Please, are you able to count the layers? I never understood if they were already 7-plys, or whatever else. Graphic said S-PLY (?).
By the way, Dave was our Sales Manager in 1988-91 at H-Street! A really cool guy.

ZombieChristoph
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    11/22/09 at 09:03 AM
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It is 11 inches.  The nose isn't intact, but I would guesstimate it was a 30" model.  Is it possible it has 6 plys?  I'll try to count them again. It looks like 6, the bottom layer looks a little thicker, unless it is 7. I'm a little blurry eyed from last night to be counting right now. Also, the green and yellow in the rails looks like it is cracking like paint (...?), not stickers.  I never, ever skated this thing, like I said, it sat in my closet.  I don't know what is up with the blue grip.  It was given to me by someone at the contest, it could have been Dave for all I know, or some kid who put blue grip on it then gave it to me. I know DA was at that contest, because I wrote his name as one of the people I met on the back of the rock art that I did while I was there that summer.  I had Chris Strople, Peter Gifford, Ray Bones Rodriguez, Steve and Micke Alba, and Steve Olson sign it, but didn't have it with me when I got this board.

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    11/22/09 at 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ZombieChristoph

Here is my Sims contribution.  A Sims Andrecht.  It looks like a prototype because of the graphics, and it is flat. He signed the top and bottom. I got it in 1979 at the Hester Pro Series II in Boulder Colorado.  I never mounted it, it has been sitting in my closet(s) just like this from the day I got it 30 years ago.



Holy crap!!

I think there might have been a few fakes of this deck in the past but this one looks legit,

Its all about the ad (please post)and if this is the deck that was shot for the ad, or if it was homebody's repaint to look like the "ad board".

Maybe it is a twin of the ad board made in the same batch and that would be just about as cool too.

In my estimation, the grail of grails, but what do I know?


The only thing is the story about it doesn't make sense to me, why?

That board is beat and Andrecht got em free. No way did he let his boards get that way. Now my guess is that somebody skated it afterward, but if it is what it seems to be, that doesn't really make much difference,

i would advise against any major restoration as that would destroy whats left of this artifact!
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    11/22/09 at 01:09 PM
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Thanks guys.  I assure you this board is as what it seems.  It was given to me in this condition, and for the life of me I can't recall how else I would have acquired it, that's why I came to the assumption of the Hester Pro in Boulder.  That is the only place I can remember that I was ever around DA.  It is pretty beat, for sure, and I agree that I don't think DA woulda let it go for so long.   Maybe there was another person who had it after him and used the hell out of it before they gave it to me.  That would explain the blue grip as well, heh heh... but regardless of any of that, it is what it is.  I am not going to touch it.  It will stay the way it is, all the way down to the blue triangle grip pieces. I would be more than happy to post more detailed pics if you guys are really that interested to see more. I would like to contact DA, though, and share this with him.  Does anyone think he would he be interested? I don't wanna bug the guy... Oh, in the same stash of stuff, I found my old Sims Snake Green Conicals....SWEET! Man I LOVED those damn wheels... I thought I was king shit when I got those for Xmas one year.  All that being said, THANK YOU ALL for your comments about my board.  It really adds some insight to it all. OH, does anyone have that ad, or know what issue of Skateboarder it was in?  If so, please post it!  And if you know what issue, let me know .  I might, just might, have that issue to scan it myself to post.  I still have a lot of my old skate shit (thanks mom - she kept it for me until I got out of the military), it has been schlepped around in boxes in the attic like we all have for 30 years). 

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    11/22/09 at 02:03 PM
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Artifact....  Thanks a PANTS LOAD VonWolf for making me feel even MORE like a friggin' codger!!!  HA HA HA.  If you want, I can chip off a piece of the deck for carbon dating...

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    11/22/09 at 02:04 PM
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The wheels look to Me to  be Sims Comp 2's as they are narrower than Snake cons



These were taken out of Sept 79   

So May not have been Daves Rider It could have been Berts Rider or others from the team back then


Very cool board

joepa
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    11/22/09 at 03:33 PM
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Hike4IT ... also now want to see the right side Hollywood ramp photo!

Regarding that deck ... looks like Lamar, Adrecht & Bowman saw all three styles of Sims Rail Cuts & flipped a coin to their color way! lol!
methodair1
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    11/23/09 at 12:41 AM
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Here's that ad that was on the last back page of Skateboarder! Yea, I believe your's to be a LEGIT Andrecht Prototype!!! And I know Andrecht, Lamar, and Ayres all had the stinger models BUT... The one you have looks to be Andrecht's proto as his signatures are on it(although the A on top is different from bottom...looks real to me)~  But other than just the signature, your's has ALL the same qualities and characteristics that the protos had... for instance, the edgier sharp side cut wings towards the rear, as stated before, like the one in the ad~ AND Also what's interesting about your's is the fact the wheelwells are ROUNDED Routers(usually found in the 2nd generation Concave variants) and not the flat routers that you would find in the Flat 1st gen Andrechts~
If I'm not mistaking, Dave Andrecht's model was one of the 1st in the series of the Stinger line and was made before Lamar's and I believe all 3 riders first had the same/similar protos, as scene in the pic with Lamar(the board he is riding has considerably LARGER Router sections with a narrower middle beam than the production variants)~ Later when production models were established, different dimensions/colors were added to accomodate each rider accordingly~ Lamar's production models were smaller since he was a smaller rider with a snubbier nose etc...
The ad where you see the Black Proto Stinger(Andrecht) wasn't a ACTUAL Andrecht ad...It was the introduction of what was to come for the New Sims line~ Therefore using the yellow Tracker Mags for the photo for nice color match for the colorway of the board etc... Had it been a ACTUAL Andrecht ad the trucks would have been Gullwings like the later ones...
I have actually seen pics of Andrecht riding different variants of this prototype~ Some with his full name signature on each router section and some without any...nonetheless, a GREAT find and a piece in skateboarding history from one of my favorite eras! Good Going!!!




TonyHallam
Registered: 09/25/06
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    11/23/09 at 03:37 AM
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Here's a shot of Andrecht riding a proto at the Hester II Boulder Contest:



Tony
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